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		<title>Comments on: Legioss &amp; Tread</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:24:16 -0400</pubDate>
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			<title>Comments on: Legioss &amp; Tread</title>
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		<title>Pony Toy Go Round</title>
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		<description>Those were the days! I still have all my catalog mailers from them! I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not the only person who remembers the place ( read my Spiral Zone Sentinel Bear review)

Cheers
Leonardo


We&#039;ll fight them on the Beaches!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those were the days! I still have all my catalog mailers from them! I'm glad I'm not the only person who remembers the place ( read my Spiral Zone Sentinel Bear review)</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Leonardo</p>
<p>We'll fight them on the Beaches!</p><br class="giImageBlock-clear-both" />]]></content:encoded>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:24:16 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Modcineaste</dc:creator>
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		<title>Severely disappointed</title>
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		<description>The Toynami Alpha is perhaps what the Brave Gohkin EX line should have been. TA&#039;s had real heft to it due to much much higher diecast content and feels like a quality product - notwitstanding some QC issues but overall it is superior.

The BGEX is like a kids&#039; toy - the Legioss Chest panel is nothing more than a cover - there is no more compartment there, has &quot;hollow&quot; knee joints which looks really bad, proportions are bad mecha wise and all the plastic just hurts it - feels like a $20 toy.

I had a look again at the Toynami the other day and rues how many crap products have been produced in the Mospeada line - first was the CM&#039;s Cyclone which was absolutely bad - followed by the Megahouse Cyclone - which fell apart if you so much sniff at it (literally) and now this.

I just get the feeling that CM&#039;s put in the diecast landing gear and joints etc to justify the &quot;Gohkin&quot; part otherwise the fans would feel completely cheated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Toynami Alpha is perhaps what the Brave Gohkin EX line should have been. TA's had real heft to it due to much much higher diecast content and feels like a quality product - notwitstanding some QC issues but overall it is superior.</p>
<p>The BGEX is like a kids' toy - the Legioss Chest panel is nothing more than a cover - there is no more compartment there, has "hollow" knee joints which looks really bad, proportions are bad mecha wise and all the plastic just hurts it - feels like a $20 toy.</p>
<p>I had a look again at the Toynami the other day and rues how many crap products have been produced in the Mospeada line - first was the CM's Cyclone which was absolutely bad - followed by the Megahouse Cyclone - which fell apart if you so much sniff at it (literally) and now this.</p>
<p>I just get the feeling that CM's put in the diecast landing gear and joints etc to justify the "Gohkin" part otherwise the fans would feel completely cheated!</p><br class="giImageBlock-clear-both" />]]></content:encoded>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 19:22:03 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>primetimex</dc:creator>
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		<title>the ingrams are great - and</title>
		<link>http://www.collectiondx.com/node/2439%2523comment-2059</link>
		<description>the ingrams are great - and a steal at that price. Get it!
 
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CollectionDX Admin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the ingrams are great - and a steal at that price. Get it!</p>
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CollectionDX Admin</p><br class="giImageBlock-clear-both" />]]></content:encoded>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:46:59 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JoshB</dc:creator>
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		<title>Lonely soldier boy...</title>
		<link>http://www.collectiondx.com/node/2439%2523comment-2053</link>
		<description>Haahahhaa...I just caught the end of the third vid! CLASSIC!!&lt;br&gt;
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Sanjeev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haahahhaa...I just caught the end of the third vid! CLASSIC!!<br><br />
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Sanjeev</p><br class="giImageBlock-clear-both" />]]></content:encoded>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:06:24 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sanjeev</dc:creator>
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		<title>300</title>
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		<description>300 bucks... I bet this thing will sell at 400$ at my country... greatly overprice if I might say...

by the way, does the Cm&#039;s Ingram really that bad. I&#039;m planing to get mine since HLJ discounted the item.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>300 bucks... I bet this thing will sell at 400$ at my country... greatly overprice if I might say...</p>
<p>by the way, does the Cm's Ingram really that bad. I'm planing to get mine since HLJ discounted the item.</p><br class="giImageBlock-clear-both" />]]></content:encoded>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:16:49 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Berserk</dc:creator>
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		<title>Hey Josh, it&#039;s pronounced</title>
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		<description>Hey Josh, it&#039;s pronounced &quot;Leggy-oss&quot; :&gt;

-Andrew </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Josh, it's pronounced "Leggy-oss" :&gt;</p>
<p>-Andrew </p><br class="giImageBlock-clear-both" />]]></content:encoded>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:36:41 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Destroy All Podcasts DX</dc:creator>
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		<title>  Well, then the Pacific</title>
		<link>http://www.collectiondx.com/node/2439%2523comment-2022</link>
		<description>  Well, then the Pacific Northwest, is the best of both those worlds.  Not too hot (lest you&#039;re east of the Cascade Mtns.), not too cold (repeat:), and humidity is no problem.
  I&#039;ll tell ya, though- the rubber bands on my first Lego &lt;i&gt;Bionicle&lt;/i&gt; sets from 2001 all broke down by the following spring... and they wouldn&#039;t replace them.  Why they rotted so easily, I don&#039;t understanmd since most of them had no tensile strength being applied while sitting on the shelves.

  And as for age, note I said &quot;CDX founders&quot;, not &quot;anime collecting old-timers&quot; or some-such.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>  Well, then the Pacific Northwest, is the best of both those worlds.  Not too hot (lest you're east of the Cascade Mtns.), not too cold (repeat:), and humidity is no problem.<br />
  I'll tell ya, though- the rubber bands on my first Lego <i>Bionicle</i> sets from 2001 all broke down by the following spring... and they wouldn't replace them.  Why they rotted so easily, I don't understanmd since most of them had no tensile strength being applied while sitting on the shelves.</p>
<p>  And as for age, note I said "CDX founders", not "anime collecting old-timers" or some-such.<br />
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:55:00 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>EVA_Unit_4A</dc:creator>
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		<title>Oh snap</title>
		<link>http://www.collectiondx.com/node/2439%2523comment-2020</link>
		<description>Oh snap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh snap</p><br class="giImageBlock-clear-both" />]]></content:encoded>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:58:10 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>GogDog</dc:creator>
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		<title>I doubt it.  CM&#039;s knew going</title>
		<link>http://www.collectiondx.com/node/2439%2523comment-2016</link>
		<description>I doubt it.  CM&#039;s knew going in that the Tread is the draw of this set.  It&#039;s been a holy grail of toys for decades.  If they made them separate they&#039;d be stuck with a load of Legioss.  What would they be priced, $160 each?  The combo is always cheaper, otherwise what&#039;s the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt it.  CM's knew going in that the Tread is the draw of this set.  It's been a holy grail of toys for decades.  If they made them separate they'd be stuck with a load of Legioss.  What would they be priced, $160 each?  The combo is always cheaper, otherwise what's the point.</p><br class="giImageBlock-clear-both" />]]></content:encoded>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:23:53 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>duke togo</dc:creator>
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		<title>Design choices were limited</title>
		<link>http://www.collectiondx.com/node/2439%2523comment-2015</link>
		<description>Design choices were limited by adherence to line art and/or costs.  We&#039;ll never know the reasons but it is obvious they just gave up at some point and figured it&#039;s just going to be on a shelf anyway so it doesn&#039;t matter that it just rests on the stand.  You can&#039;t please everyone and for every guy that keeps it in a case there&#039;s one that &quot;swooshes&quot; it around like he&#039;s 8 again.

Remember that Hasbro&#039;s $20 figure is mass-produced in the hundreds of thousands, made of crappy plastic and shipped via slow boat from China.  It&#039;s like comparing a Ferrari to a Hyundai.  And believe me Ferraris aren&#039;t without flaws considering their cost.
  
I made the argument before that the price is largely due to the limited run, QC, and expensive materials.  I&#039;d estimate that no more than 10,000 of these were produced and I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if it was much less.  

Up until now, POM plastic in toys has been used in some key joint areas where even metal was too fragile.  (Yamato Valkyries two main hinges are POM)  This appears to be made almost entirely of POM.  I&#039;ve seen many a comment how crappy the plastic looks, &quot;like model kit plastic&quot;.  It&#039;s deceiving since POM is strong like metal but still looks like styrene.  I&#039;d guess the materials are a large part of the cost, it&#039;s just that most assume it&#039;s the same ABS that everything else is made of so the price seems way too high.  

I know most people don&#039;t follow plastics and their use in manufacture, so it&#039;s a hard sell for CM&#039;s to try to educate people about some new plastic being the reason it&#039;s so costly.  Maybe they should try to do what Popy did in the 70&#039;s with &quot;Chogokin Super Alloy&quot;, aka zinc.  Maybe that&#039;s what &quot;Brave Gokin EX&quot; is.  A commercial of it being thrown against a wall and the house falling down or something.

Could it be cheaper?  Yes.  I&#039;m sure CM&#039;s knew that interest was high so they inflated the price a bit.  But I bet the unit cost for CM&#039;s is around $160-$200.  I&#039;ve seen these wholesale for no less than $200, so that says something about their costs if you remember your economics.

Just to add, the Iota (green one) is available through CM&#039;s directly.  You can go through a broker like celga or something to get it, and the Zeta (red one) is being sold normally after all.

My guess is you&#039;re going to see many of these for sale on auction from disillusioned buyers, so either cash in on someone else&#039;s misfortune or wait and laugh at us saps when it goes on clearance at HLJ for 70% off like the Ingram.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Design choices were limited by adherence to line art and/or costs.  We'll never know the reasons but it is obvious they just gave up at some point and figured it's just going to be on a shelf anyway so it doesn't matter that it just rests on the stand.  You can't please everyone and for every guy that keeps it in a case there's one that "swooshes" it around like he's 8 again.</p>
<p>Remember that Hasbro's $20 figure is mass-produced in the hundreds of thousands, made of crappy plastic and shipped via slow boat from China.  It's like comparing a Ferrari to a Hyundai.  And believe me Ferraris aren't without flaws considering their cost.</p>
<p>I made the argument before that the price is largely due to the limited run, QC, and expensive materials.  I'd estimate that no more than 10,000 of these were produced and I wouldn't be surprised if it was much less.  </p>
<p>Up until now, POM plastic in toys has been used in some key joint areas where even metal was too fragile.  (Yamato Valkyries two main hinges are POM)  This appears to be made almost entirely of POM.  I've seen many a comment how crappy the plastic looks, "like model kit plastic".  It's deceiving since POM is strong like metal but still looks like styrene.  I'd guess the materials are a large part of the cost, it's just that most assume it's the same ABS that everything else is made of so the price seems way too high.  </p>
<p>I know most people don't follow plastics and their use in manufacture, so it's a hard sell for CM's to try to educate people about some new plastic being the reason it's so costly.  Maybe they should try to do what Popy did in the 70's with "Chogokin Super Alloy", aka zinc.  Maybe that's what "Brave Gokin EX" is.  A commercial of it being thrown against a wall and the house falling down or something.</p>
<p>Could it be cheaper?  Yes.  I'm sure CM's knew that interest was high so they inflated the price a bit.  But I bet the unit cost for CM's is around $160-$200.  I've seen these wholesale for no less than $200, so that says something about their costs if you remember your economics.</p>
<p>Just to add, the Iota (green one) is available through CM's directly.  You can go through a broker like celga or something to get it, and the Zeta (red one) is being sold normally after all.</p>
<p>My guess is you're going to see many of these for sale on auction from disillusioned buyers, so either cash in on someone else's misfortune or wait and laugh at us saps when it goes on clearance at HLJ for 70% off like the Ingram.</p><br class="giImageBlock-clear-both" />]]></content:encoded>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:07:37 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>duke togo</dc:creator>
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		<title>excellent review</title>
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		<description>Your review was entertaining and informative at the same time. I appreciate the insight and historical perspective that you bring to these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your review was entertaining and informative at the same time. I appreciate the insight and historical perspective that you bring to these things.</p><br class="giImageBlock-clear-both" />]]></content:encoded>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:30:44 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wicker808</dc:creator>
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		<title>I&#039;m here in So Cal, and I&#039;ve</title>
		<link>http://www.collectiondx.com/node/2439%2523comment-2013</link>
		<description>I&#039;m here in So Cal, and I&#039;ve been doing this here since the days of Pony Toy-Go-Round.

Besides, humidity and snow will slowly destroy their toys, the dry heat of the desert preserves ours like the pyramids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm here in So Cal, and I've been doing this here since the days of Pony Toy-Go-Round.</p>
<p>Besides, humidity and snow will slowly destroy their toys, the dry heat of the desert preserves ours like the pyramids.</p><br class="giImageBlock-clear-both" />]]></content:encoded>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:15:24 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>duke togo</dc:creator>
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		<title>  Ya know what?  I am</title>
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		<description>  Ya know what?  I &lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt; jealous!  &lt;i&gt;Yes&lt;/i&gt;.

  And rather envious as well.  All yous CDX founders are all together over on the East Coast and are all buddy-buddy, and then there&#039;s just little-ole me over here on the West all by me onesome-self.  I don&#039;t really like that.  No.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>  Ya know what?  I <i>am</i> jealous!  <i>Yes</i>.</p>
<p>  And rather envious as well.  All yous CDX founders are all together over on the East Coast and are all buddy-buddy, and then there's just little-ole me over here on the West all by me onesome-self.  I don't really like that.  No.<br />
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:56:00 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>EVA_Unit_4A</dc:creator>
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		<title>  Mmm!  I agree</title>
		<link>http://www.collectiondx.com/node/2439%2523comment-2009</link>
		<description>  Mmm!  I agree completely!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>  Mmm!  I agree completely!<br />
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:22:43 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>EVA_Unit_4A</dc:creator>
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		<title>The shitty combination</title>
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		<description>The s****y combination aspect sort of reminds me of that Getter Robo set where you actually transform and combine the planes. The sad (for toy collectors,at least) fact is that because this is anime,none of this s**t had to actually work in real life. That&#039;s going to result in a questionable combination for the toys,no matter how you design it. Still,it wouldn&#039;t have been THAT hard to put a couple more pegs in there. It&#039;s sad when Hasbro&#039;s $19.99 Transformers you can buy at the local Kmart work better than a THREE HUNDRED DOLLAR &quot;collector figure&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The s****y combination aspect sort of reminds me of that Getter Robo set where you actually transform and combine the planes. The sad (for toy collectors,at least) fact is that because this is anime,none of this s**t had to actually work in real life. That's going to result in a questionable combination for the toys,no matter how you design it. Still,it wouldn't have been THAT hard to put a couple more pegs in there. It's sad when Hasbro's $19.99 Transformers you can buy at the local Kmart work better than a THREE HUNDRED DOLLAR "collector figure".</p><br class="giImageBlock-clear-both" />]]></content:encoded>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:10:00 -0400</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kidnicky</dc:creator>
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