Comments on: SDCC07: Toynami http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762 CollectionDX-Japanese Toys - Toy Reviews, Toy News and Toy Collections. Soul of Chogokin, Japanese Robots | International Toy Culture en Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:12:06 -0500 Drupal TotalFeeds Module Comments on: SDCC07: Toynami http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762 http://www.collectiondx.com/Image-Lib/feedlogo.png 144 37 Mospeada's uncertain future... http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-1236 Cool!<br> Glad we've been of help! As I've said on TBDX, I'm <i>really</i> hoping CM's offerings turn out high-quality. In other words, looks aside, I'd love it if they were tough, rugged toys that transformed and docked smoothly.<br> I'm sure many of these new Mospeada toys will find their way to this site for review, but feel free to post, bhchia. The more opinions, the better!<br> As it stands right now, I have little faith in Toynami/Aoshima's Beta/TLEAD...what with the craziness surrounding the Alpha/Legioss. Unless they pull off a miracle upset (<i>like the Chargers the other day ;)</i>) and they release a nigh-perfect set, I'll pass.<br> As for CM's, a lot of folks have high hopes for them. They have a solid track record...that seems to be improving with each release. If that record holds up and their Legioss-TLEAD offering is solid, I think they'll be quite sucessful. The thing is, a lot of people (myself included) are already starting to complain about the looks. The Legioss' intakes are way too small. Its gunpod is stubby-looking. When combined in fighter modes, the Legioss looks mounted too low against the TLEAD...and its thrusters (the feet) look awkward being pushed out to the sides.<br> Lastly...I honestly don't know what to think concerning the Cyclones/Mospeada. They all look good, but I'll probably throw my hat in with whichever ends up being the most solid toy. Excessive parts-swapping is a bad thing, but as usual, we'll see!<br> -- Sanjeev Cool!

Glad we've been of help! As I've said on TBDX, I'm really hoping CM's offerings turn out high-quality. In other words, looks aside, I'd love it if they were tough, rugged toys that transformed and docked smoothly.

I'm sure many of these new Mospeada toys will find their way to this site for review, but feel free to post, bhchia. The more opinions, the better!

As it stands right now, I have little faith in Toynami/Aoshima's Beta/TLEAD...what with the craziness surrounding the Alpha/Legioss. Unless they pull off a miracle upset (like the Chargers the other day ;)) and they release a nigh-perfect set, I'll pass.

As for CM's, a lot of folks have high hopes for them. They have a solid track record...that seems to be improving with each release. If that record holds up and their Legioss-TLEAD offering is solid, I think they'll be quite sucessful. The thing is, a lot of people (myself included) are already starting to complain about the looks. The Legioss' intakes are way too small. Its gunpod is stubby-looking. When combined in fighter modes, the Legioss looks mounted too low against the TLEAD...and its thrusters (the feet) look awkward being pushed out to the sides.

Lastly...I honestly don't know what to think concerning the Cyclones/Mospeada. They all look good, but I'll probably throw my hat in with whichever ends up being the most solid toy. Excessive parts-swapping is a bad thing, but as usual, we'll see!

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]]> Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:12:06 -0500 Sanjeev http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-1236 Last chance to pre-order? http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-1235 Guys, thanks for all the leads on this as well as the TBDX thread. I know a lot of guys who got burnt on getting the early Aoshima Legioss and now are in limbo bec' they are drooling over the coming CM 'Legioss and Tread' combo. Anyway, over here now, we are into the final week to pre-order the CM Legioss and Tread. It ain't cheap, but its just too cool not to have one... ouch! Also placed my order for megahouse cyclones. Hell, I might end up getting the CM ones too. New year, new toys everyone? :) Guys, thanks for all the leads on this as well as the TBDX thread. I know a lot of guys who got burnt on getting the early Aoshima Legioss and now are in limbo bec' they are drooling over the coming CM 'Legioss and Tread' combo.

Anyway, over here now, we are into the final week to pre-order the CM Legioss and Tread. It ain't cheap, but its just too cool not to have one... ouch!

Also placed my order for megahouse cyclones. Hell, I might end up getting the CM ones too. New year, new toys everyone? :)


]]> Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:55:49 -0500 bhchia http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-1235 Right on... http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-1065 Atom, thanks much for that clear break-down of all the upcoming Mospeada toys! Very concise! Your inclusion of the release dates (or current incarnations thereof!) is key, although according to Yaco, CM's Mospeada has been pushed back to February.<br> Just to be clear, the images above in this article are obviously of the Toynami/Aoshima version. The images in Yaco's Log which you linked to in your comment are actually of the Beagle/Megahouse version. Of course, <i>you</i> probably already knew that, bhchia, but I wanted that to be clear to other readers because they look pretty similar!<br> Lastly, I just wanted to mention that both Toynami/Aoshima <i>and</i> CM's Corp are planning on Alpha-Beta/Legioss-TLEAD toys. Again, just look above for the Toynami/Aoshima transformable fighters. Pics of CM's fighters can be seen attached to a post near the bottom of the page of <a href="http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?1,161908,page=1">this TBDX thread</a>.<br> -- Sanjeev Atom, thanks much for that clear break-down of all the upcoming Mospeada toys! Very concise! Your inclusion of the release dates (or current incarnations thereof!) is key, although according to Yaco, CM's Mospeada has been pushed back to February.

Just to be clear, the images above in this article are obviously of the Toynami/Aoshima version. The images in Yaco's Log which you linked to in your comment are actually of the Beagle/Megahouse version. Of course, you probably already knew that, bhchia, but I wanted that to be clear to other readers because they look pretty similar!

Lastly, I just wanted to mention that both Toynami/Aoshima and CM's Corp are planning on Alpha-Beta/Legioss-TLEAD toys. Again, just look above for the Toynami/Aoshima transformable fighters. Pics of CM's fighters can be seen attached to a post near the bottom of the page of this TBDX thread.

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]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:17:42 -0500 Sanjeev http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-1065 No one knows yet. http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-1063 So far... ....the <b>Megahouse</b> versions appear to have the most part swapping (for example it looks like the handlebar cowl/shoulder armor doesn't roll up the the side of the chest piece. It removes then plugs into the shoulder of the figure.) but appears to have an "anime level" of pose ability and will stand just over 5 inches tall. Appears at this time to not have any Diecast. <br> ...the <b>CM's Brave Gokin</b> versions appear to be self contained (i.e. no part swapping)but is at about the "star wars figure scale". Previous Brave Gokin robots have been absolutely top notch. <br> ...As for <b>Toynami/Aoshima</b>... who knows. It "looks" like it could be the biggest at around the 8 to 10 inch range and most toy like as it seems most like a redo of the classic Gaiken toy, however Toynami's CQ has been junk and it looks like the Aoshima branded Alpha's where no better (worse in fact). SO I am not holding out much hope for that version personally. <br> The CM's Brave Gokin versions are due at end of December, Megahouse is due in February and Toynami/Aoshima's is "Summer 08". But fear not CDX will sort it out for you. :) I can guarantee there is a real war brewing over who will get to review these as most of us appear to be getting samplings of all of them. <br> It will come down to a bloody war of Rock, Paper, Scissors.... mark my words. :) <br> But in all seriousness we will get reviews out to the public as soon as possible. <br> ___________________ CollectionDX Writer www.atomsantics.com So far...
....the Megahouse versions appear to have the most part swapping (for example it looks like the handlebar cowl/shoulder armor doesn't roll up the the side of the chest piece. It removes then plugs into the shoulder of the figure.) but appears to have an "anime level" of pose ability and will stand just over 5 inches tall. Appears at this time to not have any Diecast.


...the CM's Brave Gokin versions appear to be self contained (i.e. no part swapping)but is at about the "star wars figure scale". Previous Brave Gokin robots have been absolutely top notch.


...As for Toynami/Aoshima... who knows. It "looks" like it could be the biggest at around the 8 to 10 inch range and most toy like as it seems most like a redo of the classic Gaiken toy, however Toynami's CQ has been junk and it looks like the Aoshima branded Alpha's where no better (worse in fact). SO I am not holding out much hope for that version personally.


The CM's Brave Gokin versions are due at end of December, Megahouse is due in February and Toynami/Aoshima's is "Summer 08". But fear not CDX will sort it out for you. :) I can guarantee there is a real war brewing over who will get to review these as most of us appear to be getting samplings of all of them.


It will come down to a bloody war of Rock, Paper, Scissors.... mark my words. :)


But in all seriousness we will get reviews out to the public as soon as possible.


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]]> Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:48:16 -0500 Atom http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-1063 So, which one is best rated so far? http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-1061 Its hearting to see so much support for Mospeada line after so long. I have seen images of Megahouse ones, and they look great. But as a newie, I don't know which production house does good in what... can someone advise? Thanks. http://wildcats.pupui.jp/mt/archives/2007/08/wf2007.html - newbie collector Its hearting to see so much support for Mospeada line after so long. I have seen images of Megahouse ones, and they look great. But as a newie, I don't know which production house does good in what... can someone advise? Thanks.

http://wildcats.pupui.jp/mt/archives/2007/08/wf2007.html

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]]> Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:35:39 -0500 bhchia http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-1061 Macross Die Hards http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-662 Well I think it was more they did not want to alienate the "macross" buyers. Most die hard "macross" fans loathe Robotech and get upset. I think Toynami was trying to make sure they had as broad an audience as possible. I'm not saying everyone is like that but if you want proof head over to the Macross World forums and post a thread with Robotech in it and refer to Valkyries as Veritechs. See how long it takes them to try and string you up like a witch. ___________________ CollectionDX Writer www.atomsantics.com Well I think it was more they did not want to alienate the "macross" buyers. Most die hard "macross" fans loathe Robotech and get upset. I think Toynami was trying to make sure they had as broad an audience as possible. I'm not saying everyone is like that but if you want proof head over to the Macross World forums and post a thread with Robotech in it and refer to Valkyries as Veritechs. See how long it takes them to try and string you up like a witch.

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]]> Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:22:50 -0400 Atom http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-662 Macross more recognizable http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-661 Macross more recognizable than Robotech? If they're talking about Japan maybe, but Robotech is known to just about anyone between the ages of 25-40. It's about as well-known as Voltron and Thundercats. This proves how little Toynami knows their target market. My topic of you guys being confused stuck after I had edited the message. HLJ showed the Miracle House bikes so initially it proved that they were not the Toynami ones. After checking more I found thet the one HLJ showed were in fact the Megahouse ones. Needless to say everyone seems to be confused with up to 4 companies making the same product. That's right 4, I heard of some company called Beagle making them too. Perhaps they are a subcontractor for one of the others. Macross more recognizable than Robotech? If they're talking about Japan maybe, but Robotech is known to just about anyone between the ages of 25-40. It's about as well-known as Voltron and Thundercats. This proves how little Toynami knows their target market.

My topic of you guys being confused stuck after I had edited the message. HLJ showed the Miracle House bikes so initially it proved that they were not the Toynami ones. After checking more I found thet the one HLJ showed were in fact the Megahouse ones.

Needless to say everyone seems to be confused with up to 4 companies making the same product. That's right 4, I heard of some company called Beagle making them too. Perhaps they are a subcontractor for one of the others.


]]> Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:37:29 -0400 duke togo http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-661 Macross vs Robotech http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-656 Yeah all of the 1/100th scale toys were labeled as Macross and not Robotech. However there is indeed a Harmony Gold label on all the boxes. Looks like HG finally won the right to "own" the Macross name here in the states. According to what I remember speaking to Toynami in February they said they used Macross because it was more "recognizable" than Robotech. ___________________ CollectionDX Writer www.atomsantics.com Yeah all of the 1/100th scale toys were labeled as Macross and not Robotech. However there is indeed a Harmony Gold label on all the boxes. Looks like HG finally won the right to "own" the Macross name here in the states. According to what I remember speaking to Toynami in February they said they used Macross because it was more "recognizable" than Robotech.

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]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:46:19 -0400 Atom http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-656 Yep... http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-655 duke togo, you pretty much hit the nail on the head: all three companies you mentioned are putting out Mospeada toys in the coming months...though I'm not quite sure why we're confused...<br> Say, here's a question: were Toynami's 1/100 Valks ALL "Valkyries" from SDF Macross? Or were any of them marketed as "Veritechs" from Robotech Macross? Just curious.<br> Anyway, Big R, I would focus too much on that Legioss poster. I mean, who <i>really</i> knows what's up when it comes to what they're going to change. For example, that poster makes no mention of changed materials...and I can't imagine them going with the same crap they used with the first run. Anyway, as I said, time will tell. As with many Japanese "collector" toys destined to be this complex and potentially fragile, it pays to wait til the reviews come in before hopping aboard!<br> -- Sanjeev duke togo, you pretty much hit the nail on the head: all three companies you mentioned are putting out Mospeada toys in the coming months...though I'm not quite sure why we're confused...

Say, here's a question: were Toynami's 1/100 Valks ALL "Valkyries" from SDF Macross? Or were any of them marketed as "Veritechs" from Robotech Macross? Just curious.

Anyway, Big R, I would focus too much on that Legioss poster. I mean, who really knows what's up when it comes to what they're going to change. For example, that poster makes no mention of changed materials...and I can't imagine them going with the same crap they used with the first run. Anyway, as I said, time will tell. As with many Japanese "collector" toys destined to be this complex and potentially fragile, it pays to wait til the reviews come in before hopping aboard!

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]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:11:48 -0400 Sanjeev http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-655 Re-Engineering the wrong parts! http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-654 According to the poster at the Mospeada display, Aoshima is re-engineering the *wrong* parts! i've owned a couple of the Toynami Alphas, the hip and thighs were fine- it was the SHOULDERS and the KNEES that were bad! the shoulders scratch the wings and were cheap cheap plastic, the knees scratch the thighs and are not stable at all, so what exactly are you fixing with those points!?!?!? i'll wait for the CMs version. According to the poster at the Mospeada display, Aoshima is re-engineering the *wrong* parts! i've owned a couple of the Toynami Alphas, the hip and thighs were fine- it was the SHOULDERS and the KNEES that were bad!

the shoulders scratch the wings and were cheap cheap plastic, the knees scratch the thighs and are not stable at all, so what exactly are you fixing with those points!?!?!?

i'll wait for the CMs version.


]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:30:29 -0400 The Big R http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-654 Excellent http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-653 Forget all that Japanese robot junk. I want me some Futurama figures. Okay, and maybe a FAST pack for my Max Jenius Valk. Heavyarms thatsjustprime.blogspot.com addictedtoplastic.blogspot.com Forget all that Japanese robot junk. I want me some Futurama figures.

Okay, and maybe a FAST pack for my Max Jenius Valk.

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]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:03:09 -0400 Heavyarms http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-653 You guys are a bit confused http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-652 This is very confusing. http://wildcats.pupui.jp/mt/archives/2007/08/wf2007.html So this means that Toynami/Miracle House, Megahouse, and CM's are all making different Cyclones/Ride Armours and Alpha & Betas/Legioss & Tread toys. I'm glad Mospeada is getting so much love but do we really need three companies making the same stuff? Did Toynami say anything officially about who was making their stuff for them? As for Toynami using Macross for it's line. It's apparent that they've lost the Robotech license for everything except the Shadow Chronicles movie. So everything has to be either from that movie (the purple Alphas) or whatever Japanese properties they've now licensed. Hopefully this will be sorted out as the release gets closer. This is very confusing.

http://wildcats.pupui.jp/mt/archives/2007/08/wf2007.html

So this means that Toynami/Miracle House, Megahouse, and CM's are all making different Cyclones/Ride Armours and Alpha & Betas/Legioss & Tread toys. I'm glad Mospeada is getting so much love but do we really need three companies making the same stuff?

Did Toynami say anything officially about who was making their stuff for them?

As for Toynami using Macross for it's line. It's apparent that they've lost the Robotech license for everything except the Shadow Chronicles movie. So everything has to be either from that movie (the purple Alphas) or whatever Japanese properties they've now licensed.

Hopefully this will be sorted out as the release gets closer.


]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:43:03 -0400 duke togo http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-652 Yup... http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-651 Atom got it. Aoshima/Miracle House is going to be re-designing the joints to make them more robust. Unfortunately, we don't have any more detailed information than that. If these turn out to be solid improvements, you can count me in!<br> A lot of people have had mixed feelings about Aoshima/Miracle House's QC--especially on their <a href="http://www.collectiondx.com/taxonomy/term/197">Shin Seiki Gokin</a> series. A number of people on TBDX have reported getting lemons (mainly concerning paint apps, but sometimes regarding joints and parts fit). I've had some six figures from them...and they've all been absolutely perfect.<br> I guess your mileage will vary! I just hope they're consistent and good with these Mospeada toys as they're a lot more complex and bound to be at least a little fragile. Only time will tell; here's to hoping!<br> It almost seems to me to be some sort of embarrassment for Toynami that their QC on the Alphas was so bad that a Japanese company had to swoop in and save the design... Then again, Toynami is clearly <i>promoting</i> the Aoshima stuff.<br> ...<br> Voltron shoes over pilot figures, huh? Hehe<br> -- Sanjeev Atom got it. Aoshima/Miracle House is going to be re-designing the joints to make them more robust. Unfortunately, we don't have any more detailed information than that. If these turn out to be solid improvements, you can count me in!

A lot of people have had mixed feelings about Aoshima/Miracle House's QC--especially on their Shin Seiki Gokin series. A number of people on TBDX have reported getting lemons (mainly concerning paint apps, but sometimes regarding joints and parts fit). I've had some six figures from them...and they've all been absolutely perfect.

I guess your mileage will vary! I just hope they're consistent and good with these Mospeada toys as they're a lot more complex and bound to be at least a little fragile. Only time will tell; here's to hoping!

It almost seems to me to be some sort of embarrassment for Toynami that their QC on the Alphas was so bad that a Japanese company had to swoop in and save the design... Then again, Toynami is clearly promoting the Aoshima stuff.

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Voltron shoes over pilot figures, huh? Hehe

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]]> Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:30:08 -0400 Sanjeev http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-651 Re: Question http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-650 Pretty much. They are re-engineering it as well as the Cyclone and the Beta concepts. Which hopefully means a better collectible. Not sure what Miracle House/Aoshima's rep is with this stuff. ___________________ CollectionDX Writer www.atomsantics.com Pretty much. They are re-engineering it as well as the Cyclone and the Beta concepts. Which hopefully means a better collectible. Not sure what Miracle House/Aoshima's rep is with this stuff.

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]]> Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:55:19 -0400 Atom http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-650 Voltron, Cyclones and other stuff http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1762%2523comment-649 <p>First about those Voltron sneakers, When I met George Soon of Toynami I had suggested they do a set of figures of the Voltron team but he pretty much laughed it off saying that no one would buy them. But then they greenlight Voltron sneakers? OKKKKKKKKKKK.</p> <br> <p> I for one am very glad Aoshima is taking over the making of the Cyclones, while I appreciate the fact that Toynami has brought back to market all these great lines but there QC in general has been pretty lackluster. With Aoshima workingon this it means I can hold out hope for a great toy that won't fall apart the first time I try to pose or play with it. With that said the Cyclone is definitely at the top of my Must Get list with that Beta fighter close behind.</P> <br> <p>I am surprised that they are rolling out the strike armor for their 1/100 scale Valkyries. When I spoke to them in Feb. they seemed to think they wouldn't be out for a while if at all.<p> ___________________ CollectionDX Writer www.atomsantics.com First about those Voltron sneakers, When I met George Soon of Toynami I had suggested they do a set of figures of the Voltron team but he pretty much laughed it off saying that no one would buy them. But then they greenlight Voltron sneakers? OKKKKKKKKKKK.


I for one am very glad Aoshima is taking over the making of the Cyclones, while I appreciate the fact that Toynami has brought back to market all these great lines but there QC in general has been pretty lackluster. With Aoshima workingon this it means I can hold out hope for a great toy that won't fall apart the first time I try to pose or play with it. With that said the Cyclone is definitely at the top of my Must Get list with that Beta fighter close behind.



I am surprised that they are rolling out the strike armor for their 1/100 scale Valkyries. When I spoke to them in Feb. they seemed to think they wouldn't be out for a while if at all.

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