Considering Kawamori worked on most of the other Macross series and did not have anything to do with Macross II, the only thing he's imitating is himself.

I'll add that I don't particularly care for his evolved works in Macross, and possibly his best work is behind him, but Macross seems to be followed by so many sheep now it doesn't matter who is designing it - as long as it has the three modes it's good enough it seems. It's pretty bad when Macross II has the best Valkyrie design beyond the original, and it's not considered canon.

As for this, it's probably the single biggest piece of fan service in a show that is filled with it.

I know that the whole franchise- 'cept for "...2"- is his baby, but it's growin' up in a way not likable mecha-wise.

And I agree with absolutely everything you just said in your second paragraph.
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Yeah, except the spaceships in Macross from the SDF-1 Macross itself to all the Zentradi ships and the Destroids were designed by Miyatake, not Kawamori.

-Jeremy

Wait wait wait- Kawamori was the series creator, I know that, but he is also the mecha/robot designer (with consultations from Miyatake). So you're saying that the ships were not primarily his design?
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Yeppers, Miyatake is credited with primary design of most of the ships as well as all of the destroids in Macross. Even had his own artbook covering his Macross and Orguss designs. He has done this with every Macross series excludeing Macross II.

Kawamori designed all the valkyires as well as Macross series creator, production supervisor, storyboard and script. Thats a lot of hats to wear, especialy while trying to get a anime TV show made on time and within budget.

Miyatake also cleaned up Kawamori's somewhat rough Valkyrie designs to make them ready for the show. Miyatake was Kawamori's sort of sensei at Studio Nue.

-Jeremy

The big transformable SDF ships in MacF are exactly the same aesthetic as in Mac7. And I agree that it's a bit too silly for my taste, although it is amusing to see a 500-foot-long space battleship with a Gerwalk mode.

Are you f'in' kidding me- a GERWALK mode!?

D:
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It has a psudo-gerwalk mode and I'm not f'ng kidding. It's called the Macross Quarter, because it's a quarter of the size of a standard Macross class ship. Which lends itself to melee combat, yes I said melee combat.

Your fan boy rage over the new designs is pretty funny considering you haven't seen a second of the series. Despite what the ranging fanboys have to say in this thread, it is hands down the best modern anime series to hit in years and a true and proper sequel to the original series. The Quarter is just all sorts of awesome and a 12 inch tall Chogokin version of it will rock. 'Nuf said.

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Oh, I've heard many good things about "Macross Frontier", and I would like to see it myself someday. So I'm not bashing on the show at all; I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.

All that I am complaining about is the mecha designs- all of these successors to classic designs just don't strike me the same way... and that's not just nostalgia talking either.
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PFFT...Geez, talking about contradiction here aren't you EVA? and this coming from a transfan who worships those questionable robot designs from Animated and Bayformers.

EVA, you oughta know better man.

-R78

What can I say- I likes what I likes and why I likes them is for me to know and not to justify to the world. =)

And to be clear, the Bayformers are cool onscreen even if not the design aesthetic I would have thought would work well in live-action. They are alien technology, so they should look unrecognizable to our eyes. That's Extraterrestrial Biology 101 there.

...not that I was a graduate of that study to begin with. ;)

The toys, on the other hand, were a good effort, but a good share of them also fall flat on their faces (sometimes literally).

End of discussion.
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"And to be clear, the Bayformers are cool onscreen even if not the design aesthetic I would have thought would work well in live-action. They are alien technology, so they should look unrecognizable to our eyes. That's Extraterrestrial Biology 101 there."

Extraterrestrial Biology 101? PFFT....Whatever Mr. Contradiction.

-R78

I will not be drawn into another debate about my opinions, contradictions, or lack there-of regarding material seen or not seen on CollectionDX.com.

My involvement in this specific thread is finished.
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"I will not be drawn into another debate about my opinions, contradictions, or lack there-of regarding material seen or not seen on CollectionDX.com.

My involvement in this specific thread is finished."

Nobody's drawing you back sir. You have no chain or shackles.

That is an illusion.

That is your choice, not mine. I got what I need.

Duely NOTED.

-R78

... Ex-Gear? Where? ;)

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"This must be settled the way nature intended....with a vicious, bloody fight!"
Onyx Blackman
Principal, Flatpoint High

You like Frontier better than 7 AND Zero? I mean, that's fine, I've just not read anyone else with that opinion.

Hear hear-! Good criteria!
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