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Seriously, the animation in this was about three times as good as it needed to be.
Although some of it was a little too smooth, reminding me of something done in Flash and posted to Newgrounds.
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic really was animated in Flash, no joke.
Hey, don't look at me, guys. I voted for Golgo 13. I tried to rescue you. I really did. But alas, I am but one person.
I look forward to the eventual review of My Little Pony: The Movie (you know you want to), which should have simply been titled "My Little Pony Moves Into A Different House." Oh, and have fun noticing the really obvious flip-flop back and forth between Toei and AKOM.
I was in the Golgo 13 camp as well, though everyone and their mother has reviewed Golgo 13 at some point.
As someone who has spent some time on the Comics and Cartoons board on 4chan, I am astounded by the number of adult men in the world who earnestly love this cartoon.
I mean, I watched a little bit, and it's not bad; I didn't hate it as much as Star, and I don't think the obvious toy commercial nature of it is a problem--I mean, GaoGaiGar has some of the most blatant toy advertising of any show I've ever watched, but I still love it--but it's beyond my comprehension how someone who isn't a kid could seriously sit down and watch hours and hours of this.
Star wasn't on the episode. I think you mean Betty. But anyway, yeah, that was pretty much my take on it, too, but in all fairness, how many of the things we've podcasted on were intended for adults? 25%?
4chan has pretty much disappeared up its own behind as far as irony is concerned; the more serious they are, the more it's intended as a joke. The whole idea is to get you to take them seriously as a joke on you.
Is it really a 4chan thing? Both Heidi and Paul of Greatest Movie Ever like this show.
Zerochan is a girl, so whatever, plausible.
But is it really a surprise that Paul "Unicorns" Chapman is in love with this show?
I did mean Betty. I actually thought I typed Betty. Oh well. And there's a difference between being intended for kids and being too dumbed down to really hold an adult's attention. For me this falls into the latter category. I wouldn't exactly call it even a fault of the show, because it does what it needs to for its target audience, but it makes it strange to me that so many adults LOVE this show. Normally the only significant group of adults who would be really into something like this would be ones who watched it as a kid, but here it is with a sort of cult following while it's still current.
RobotBastard, I don't think you understand 4chan very well, so much as /b/. What you've said is a somewhat-accurate description of /b/, but every board on 4chan has a different group of people on it with a more or less different culture. All of those cultures have their rather vocal shitty elements, because it's 4chan, but everywhere on 4chan is not /b/. Now, from what I understand, a lot of people on /b/ do like this show, perhaps ironically, but there's a lot of people on /co/ who earnestly adore it.
Also, that's actually pretty funny that Paul Chapman likes this show.
I think Mike's 4chan assessment is dead on. For every "serious business" there's a million "cool story bros" in every board. It's why its the worse(best) thing on the internet.
I was expecting silly, but instead we got ass. Either you guys are just trolling because you are searching for attention or just want to watch people flip out on you.
Most opinions given were pretty much crap. You guys went in wanting to hate it, didn't give it a chance, and pretty much came up with barely any good reasons to dislike it.
If this show was so terrible and without merit would there really be multiple forums and fansites dedicated to the show? THOUSANDS of pieces of fanart?
Tons of music videos? Tens of thousands of views of the episodes on youtube? Constant mentions as being good by other nerdsites and webcomic creators such as David Willis (Shortpacked), Michael Poe (Errant Story), Topless Robot, and one of the first podcasts period? You know, Radio Free Cybertron?
Even a decent number of the contributors to That Guy With the Glasses are fans of the show and speak highly of it.
Its not some secret 4chan troll. Nobody is that good. (Not even you guys.)
I mean DAPDX is usually full of yall acting like doofuses with shoddy opinions on shows nobody should ever want to watch ever. (Like Macross 7 or any hentai/near hentai anime period.)
But goddam. Yall really managed to fail in a massively epic manner.
On the upside I bet this will both be your most listened to and most commented podcast.
Macross 7 is awesome and you're not.
I went in with the preconcieved notion that a show intended for four-year-olds wouldn't really have much to offer a group of adults. And you know what? I was right.
Argumentum ad populum much?
I would firstly like to congratulate the podcast team on trying the new my little pony. It is something i would wish more people to see, and it is great there are more podcasts of such a topic.
That said, i am thoroughly disappointed.
I am not sure if the team were serious coming into this show with the purpose of actively reviewing and on a whole, discussing both the merits and demerits of this show. I am not sure if this team treats its serious audience with the intelligence they desire. I am also, not sure, if this team, is qualified, to be hosting a podcast.
CS lewis once said: When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
It seems that the team has entered the review of this show in a manner that very openly puts prejudice and biased views of the subject at the forefront: that being this is a girls show. The female reviewers on the team steered the conversation from the get go, and there was no doubt in my mind at any point, that none of them were being serious. Indeed, they were coarse in articulation, went off on tangents that had no purpose unless to particularly highlight a supposed demerit of the show. None of the reviewers actively involved themselves in the substance of discussing elements of plot points (except one), but merely summarized them. That said, it would not had been so bad if not for, once again, the female team members incessant rantings of supposed bad points and elements withought so much as an elaboration---they were no doubt already locked into a mindset, and forced that mindset throughout the podcast, making serious listeners like me, hoping for any shred of meat or discussion, thoroughly put off.
I came over here after seeing a tweet on Daryl Surat's twitter page, and assumed that such a podcast would hold water, that its members maintain a professional, educational view on any subject, as how Anime World Order does. This is not the case.
I do however, recognize that the females on this podcast are looking at this show and basing their views through nostalgia goggles, Make no mistake that MLP:FIM is now an internet phenomenon, and there are many inherent reasons why that is so. But i can understand where they are coming from. In fact, most of the detractors of this very show are female who have watched the original.
I would have to tell you also that the first two episode set up a premise, and that is it. I was not convinced by the end of the first two episodes. I was however, hooked by episode 4. There are many many elements that this show has brought up that seems to bring back the atmosphere and fun of the heydays of western animations: its excellent character developments through the 26 episodes, its great art design and world building, which many cartoons in general lack. its great SONGS. Feel free to enter "Art of the Dress" or "Winter Wrap Up" on youtube, they will not disappoint. More importantly, there is a warmth this show has running through its scripts, it is this warmth that is present in both pixar and disney films, the warmth which is associated with a well executed and well done creative property.
I may not be able to convince ANY of the podcast team. In fact, i questioned your views in the first place for the team had seemed so stuck up in their bias and prejudice that it felt a need to clarify lest first timers take your words as fact and miss out on one of the best shows of this last 5 years, maybe even the last decade. There IS a reason, why there are now thousands of fanart, a multitude of music remixes, a plethora of PMVs and mashups, pony MMO GAMES and flash games being made. This is not all hype and no substance.
I would had been more happy if the team would had at least watched 4 full episodes, instead of basing the entirety of their views on the PILOT episode. I would had excepted your comments then. As it stands, the team shows of its immaturity and overall lack of professionalism.
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"As it stands, the team shows of its immaturity and overall lack of professionalism. "
You're saying that we're immature because we came to the conclusion that we were too old to enjoy My Little Pony.
"Make no mistake that MLP:FIM is now an internet phenomenon, and there are many inherent reasons why that is so."
Yes, an internet phenomenon just like Zero Wing. And remember how quickly everyone decided that photoshopping All Your Base into stuff wasn't cool anymore?
I don't have to be forced to like something, especially the new My Little Pony. I also agree with the idea that I don't have to like something just because it's popular. I did like some things about it but not due the pressure of others. It not like we broke into a daycare and told toddlers that the My Little Pony is stupid. We just have a different point of view.
You are bringing that statement out of an overall context. Is it not immature to judge the book by its cover, while basing all opinion on bias from the very get go? I am annoyed at the sole fact that you did a podcast as you did, and would had accepted the teams opinions, even if they were centered around trashing the show, if the team had not degenerated into some sort of a soup, reinforcing one singular idea and mindset to no end.
I wanted to hear from the male members more. Again as i had stated, the females took control from the very get go. One male member spent much of the whole episode groaning. The other male member whom i fully approve of, actually tried to dissect and discuss, but was constantly overshadowed and interrupted by the female members.
Perhaps i was unfair in holding you guys up to a high pedestal such as Anime World Order or Geeknights, I fully respect your podcast if you want it to be in this style. It is just my opinion that it did nothing for me, entertainment or educational wise. And yes, i did sit through your whole show.
"Yes, an internet phenomenon just like Zero Wing. And remember how quickly everyone decided that photoshopping All Your Base into stuff wasn't cool anymore?"
We shall have to see. But to compare a 1989 shooting arcade game, only made known to the public through a singular meme, cannot and i would be aghast if it did, compare to an entire, and not to mention, CURRENT series in the public conscious. I see you also chose to ignore the facts on the sheer amount of intellectual and entertainment content being created, otherwise you would not had given that statement. This is not an "All your base are belong to us" fad that got simply stapled onto images in a bid to make it hip.
Have a look at this site, and see for yourself: http://www.equestriadaily.com/. Not to mention of course, Ponychan
I'd rather you not be discussing my male member, thank you very much.
And, frankly, if you listened to the end of the podcast you heard my entire opinion, which I've reiterated in the comments here. Good animation, good production values, definitely intended for children.
Although I'll go a little further, here. I felt that the plot was entirely generic, hitting all the notes we've come to expect. The moral lessons were simple and clear. At no point was there a sense of danger beyond The Big Bad Might Do Something. The standard messaging was presented (evil is Black And Spiky, good is White And Curvy, jealousy is the root of all evil.)
Like I said--if this were the first thing I'd ever seen in my life, I'd probably think it was great. I've seen too many things, and seen the messages presented in more-complex and more-compelling ways, for me to really feel engaged by this show.
If I had a child who wanted to watch, I'd happily turn it on, but unless they wanted me to be a part of it I probably wouldn't pay any attention.
Incidentally, I usually shut up when someone else is talking, because if everyone starts babbling all at once then it's impossible to understand anything. I'll usually hold my thought until the other person is finished, unless they either make my point for me or the discussion goes somewhere else.
Hey, you guys sure heaped a lot of opprobrium on Lauren Faust, and I'm not sure from listening to the podcast if you knew that her previous credits were doing writing, storyboarding, producing and directing work on both Powerpuff Girls and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends.
I feel like being that heavily involved in those two great cartoons should give her a pass for now being involved in a mediocre one.
I do like it when you guys do the girly shows, since I watched a lot of them when I was a little kid and none of the other sort of nostalgic podcasters or video reviewers really talk about them.
I'd enjoy hearing what you guys think about the original My Little Pony show, although it's kind of a mixed bag:
On the plus side, this guy:
Yeah, there was a male my little pony who... I think he looks like Purple Rain style Prince, but other people on the internet have compared him to Michael Jackson, probably because he moonwalks and steals the souls of children. Seriously.
On the other hand, the animation on that show is some of the worst I've ever seen from an 80s show and it falls right into a genre of television that my mother dubbed "whiner shows".
Rainbow Brite and the Star Stealers is another good one. It traumatized me when I was six and I was embarrassed about that for years, until I went back and watched it and realized it was, in fact, a horrible psychedelic nightmare and I was entirely right to be scared of it.
That pony prince can win me in an argument any day...if I can have one.
I know I have different tastes in animation from you guys for a while - But I like listening to your opinions on things since you usually review things I never heard of and then wind up picking up eventually down the line (I still need to see Magical Witch Sally for my Magical Girl anime history leason.) few points I want to say where my opinion differs from yours.
Your Main Problem: From the sound of it - I think most of you went into this thinking that people were trolling you with a bad show - and you sat there with Snark Filters full on ready to tear every single piece of it to shreads. I think if you want to give the show another chance watching it seperately might be a good idea. You mentioned Power Puff Girls and Foster's home - both which share writing staff with this show - It might be an idea to find out who wrote your favourite episodes of them shows and see which episodes of FiM they wrote.
Twilight Sparkle: I have not had much interaction with Scene kids (despite actually having a Livejournal.) so I didn't get that vibe from her - I got the socially recluse bookworm vibe from her and I have to say one thing about the name - I can now here the word Twilight again without Cringing.
The Puns: Yes the show is full of them I can stand them - But I think it is toned down a lot in later episodes (Or I didn't notice them as much.) Which actually also because of change the tone for the show. (The Third Episode seems like a Secondary Pilot for the show - when hasbro removed the magical girl elements from it and concentrated it on the characters and the friendship.)
The Music: The Music does improve later on - there are mixed feelings even in the fandom about the opening theme but there are very well written songs in it like "art of the Dress" and "At the Gala" which are very skillful takes on obscure (by which I mean not Phantom of the Opera, sound of music level popularity.) musicals.
Male Characters: There are a lot more introduced later on in the series, Big Macintosh (Applejack's brother.) was in Episode 1 but is in the extended apple-family introduction so you don't know that he is an actual character later on. The background and one-episode characters have a lot more - which are actually NOT toyline product placement and are just there for the fans - Including look-a-likes of Andre Agassi, multiple Doctor Who Reverences, Ziggy Stardust and John Maddan.
Final point: I think that for most of you there was some pony in the show you liked. I just want to suggest episodes for each of them for anyone who wants to give it a shot. Applejack: Applebuck Season. Twilight: Boast Busters. Fluttershy: The Stare Master. Rainbow Dash: Sonic Rainboom. (This is the episode people usually suggest people watch first - since it is the least...well girly.). Rarity: Suited for Success. Pinkie Pie: Swarm of the Century or Party of One.
A lot of the episodes don't really involve around one character and mainly involve the introduction of a secondary Character. Bridle Gossip is a good example - Call of the Cutie is an example for the introduction of some of the most hated characters in even the Fandom.
sorry that this is so long.
Well, I had high hopes. I can tell you guys went into this expecting crap, and your mind didn't let you see anything different. I might have posted a link to the poll on ponychan..... which would account for the intense amount of votes you got. Since most people don't seem to know how this show got attention in the first place, I offer this link: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic . Hope you guys can give this show a fairer chance in the future.
Naysayers....we are on THE INTERNET. A network of virtually EVERY INFORMATION available to the democratic public in the known world and you're wasting your valuable time giving them links to other websites for the hopes of making DAP-DX delete this episode on this blog just to save some boring kids show in vain? Are you folks even aware that your apologetic comments has inadvertently trolled their intelligence to the extent of trolling your own?
This is what you voted for, people. Live with it.
Oh, and by the way. Reviewers who watch something with a preconceived notion of what it's going to be: That's EVERY reviewer. There's no reviewer who approaches the subject of his next review with a blank slate, and if they say that they do, they are liars.
There's nothing unfair about the way in which DAPDX reviewed this show. What I see is a lot of butt-hurt over the fact that the DAPDX team didn't understand the perceived, subtle genius of Derpy Hooves.
Personally, I thought that this was one of the funniest episodes I've ever heard. I'd have these guys watch MLP:FIM every week if we can expect this kind of entertainment.
So I totally thought that people voted for my little pony as a joke. This is a robot collecting website. Why would anyone here seriously vote for a remake of a show about little ponies? But I guess some people were serious. If you dig little ponies, then more power to you.
Was this a fair review? Who cares. It's called destroy all podcasts. It's a bunch of people talking about random stuff that is usually on the nerdy side. I don't see why anyone, if they listen to this podcast, would expect or want a serious review. This was a pretty funny podcast and very entertaining.
All this got me to watch part of the show on youtube. You guys are right, the art is awesome. The YE OLDE animation style at the beginning, during the history lesson, is really cool. The style of the clouds is amazing. Very clean and well done. But I couldn't watch the whole thing. It's written for kids. I watch enough shows like this with my 3 year old. The purpose of them is to teach a lesson like don't lie, clean up, be polite, don't judge people by their appearance, etc. I don't see how the attitude the podcasters took could be seen as incorrect. Jeremy was a little whiny but at least he watched the whole thing. I was entertained.
I thought the same thing too. Boy were we wrong.
This is like telling someone for the first time that quoting Monty Python and the Holy Grail is lame.
"Jeremy was a little whiny but at least he watched the whole thing. I was entertained. "
A little whiny? That's a little bit of an under credit. Mr. Jeremy was blunt on this segment, but he was hardcore awesome.
It's your fault, Jeremy, for turning a dictatorship into a democracy. Put out another poll, guys! MUA HA HA!
I think you guys should do OG MLP and let's see how funny that is, because I don't recall anything great being said about how My Little Pony was written or their jokes.
In regards to Buffy, first off, it's awesome. You can disagree; I'll just hate you forever. If liking Buffy makes me a girl, then I guess I'm going to have to reverse Chaz Bono-fy myself.
I think that people who say "skip an ENTIRE season" does nothing for the show at all. Maybe a pilot is not indicative of the show that follows, but if a whole season is not good, then why would anyone keep going?
I am of the religion that you can pardon the first story arc, at most. Beyond that, a show has to have gotten their junk together by then, or it's worthless.
The only Jos Whedon thing I really liked was Firefly and the original Buffy movie.
I am still mystified by people who love shit like Buffy and Smallville. Let's take a story about people with super powers and monster, IGNORE THAT, and focus on personal relationships. Fuck that.
The movie was awesome because it was a novel idea, expand it to a TV show you and might as well be watching Falcon Crest and Knox Landing.
??? So Firefly wasn't about personal relationships at all?
If you didn't focus on the characters, YOU CANNOT HAVE A GOOD SHOW? Yes, killing vampires, demons, etc is great, but I dare you to name a show that didn't interest you in the characters and just went about whooping butt.
I like Power Ranger, but if I have to choose between that and Buffy, I'm always going for Buffy.
I haven't seen Buffy [or the other off-shoot show called?] yet, but I own Firefly, Serenity Collector's Edition, and saw a bit of Dollhouse, so I am familiar with Whedon's work and know that what he does is good.
I only listened to the end of this podcast to see if my comment was covered on the Crash review, which I was greeted by cheers of "This guy is awesome" and "add him on this podcast." Well, granted the only cheer was by that one girl. This stupid site wont let me contact you under the DAPDX name, so I gotta do this lame comment section to take up the offer given to me and for everyone to see.
Ill say this, if you (REALLY) wanna send me flowers, or something, click my name and contact me that way. At least then I know your serious. As for the tattoo thing, I a) Dont have a girlfriend at the moment and b) Dont have a mirror big enough to write quotes from podcast on my body and send those in pictures to you guys. And if there were Bubblegum Crisis boxers, I would have bought that ages ago. Screw a Priss and the Replicants jacket when I can have Priss close to my pe-...know what, im not gonna go there.
Im just taking up the offer given to me, thats all this comment is about. Boy, to think if this will ever get read on the next podcast. Oh yea, sorry if "Kiss Me Boy" was a bad example of a song, it was the only one I knew to put in at the time.
You know what...after listening to Paul, Clarissa, and Gerald's podcast on this, I went back and watched some more episodes, and I actually like this show now haha. I feel like a dick for my earlier comment. The episode I watched before was not one of the better ones it seems, and it probably also didn't help that I watched it shortly after watching Transformers Prime for the first time and being pissed at how much worse than TFA it is.
I'm probably not going to watch the whole series or anything, but I'm going to watch some more, and I'm no longer baffled by the fact that someone can sit through hours of it. So, my bad, ponyfolk.