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NYTF 2010: Mattel - Batman the Brave and the Bold

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Great Line???

Wow Josh. You don't care for the awesome revamps of the MOTU line, but you think this line is great? These appear to be aimed solely at young kids.
I really don't see anything in this particular offering that stands out as great. This is very similar to the cheesy Marvel Scuba Spidey type of line. I'll stick with DC Direct thank you!
Grandzinga....

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Posted by Grandzinga on 18 February, 2010 - 15:47
Great. Another Dr. Fate I

Great. Another Dr. Fate I want.

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Posted by djinniman37 on 18 February, 2010 - 17:32
Wait, is that a BLUE Arrow,

Wait, is that a BLUE Arrow, from the alternate universe where Red Hood is the hero? Cool.

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Posted by seraph2011 on 18 February, 2010 - 17:48
This is my favorite cartoon

This is my favorite cartoon of all time,besides the Simpsons. If you're a DC fan,you NEED to be watching this show. A recent episode showed Batman training with the JSA in a flashback,and he was wearing his golden age purple gloves! There's been a Metal Men episode,tons of Plastic Man appearences,a cameo by DETECTIVE CHIMP,a musical episode with Neil Patrick Harris,an appearence by Talia,Bane,Deadman,EVERYTHING.

Grandzinga,I don't see why you would consider this to be aimed soley at the kiddies,to me it seems more aimed at die hard DC silver age fans. There's actually an episode where Batman tells Robin to "meet me at the corner of Haney and Aparo."

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Posted by kidnicky on 18 February, 2010 - 21:48
I agree, it is a great show.

I agree, it is a great show. Every hero you want to see, plus. Love the Aquaman episodes, the one where Robin becomes Nightwing, the Cap Marvel appearance, I could go on. Great show. Not as enthusiastic about the toy line. Their arms have holes that make it look like there's supposed to be a weapon or something that fits in. If there's a cool Dr Fate or Cap Marvel, though, I'll buy it.

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Posted by seraph2011 on 18 February, 2010 - 22:28
I agree the holes look

I agree the holes look dumb,but you can in fact put their weapons there. I don't have the figures,but from what I understand you can mount any of the weapons any where on the dude.

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Posted by kidnicky on 18 February, 2010 - 22:34
Grandzinga probably is a DC fa

Grandzinga probably is a DC fan & he probably watched this show, & he probably was MAN enough to say it's Gotham kiddie-trash.

Are you still hungover from that Dark Knight movie gravy train to see that this show is nothing more but a Bat-wacko kiddie show pretending to be a Super-Friends series as a means to enforce the repetitive Gotham franchise that's been pinning down the DCU while Marvel's not ashamed to capitalize their Marvel Superheroes without Spidey & Wolvie to babysit them on their banner that's been thriving so well in the media outlet for the past 20 years?

Batman: The Brave & The Bold? Seriously, another Bat-Wacko cartoon?

The recent 'The Batman' cartoon just dropped down the curtains for peace's sake.

This is no-way to promote the DCU like this at all. It's egotistically stupid.

These biased morons might as well call rename this show as DC's GOTHAM FRIENDS. That's exactly what this show is. A Superfriends show under the totalitarian order of The Black-n-White Bat Fuhrer dressed in baby-blue.

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 19 February, 2010 - 02:57
WOW. ------------------------

WOW.
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kidnicky's picture
Posted by kidnicky on 19 February, 2010 - 07:49
Huh. http://prometheusrising.

Huh.

http://prometheusrising.wordpress.com

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Posted by Prometheum5 on 19 February, 2010 - 08:24
With all due respect, if you

With all due respect, if you haven't watched it, it really is a fantastic cartoon, and despite appearances, not at all kiddy. I mean, they had a whole episode with deadman and gentleman ghost. The stories are intelligent, and there are a lot of great nods to Jack Kirby era comics. If you aren't watching, you are really missing out. Best batman series since Batman Beyond.

On another note, i'll have some of what you are having!

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Posted by JoshB on 19 February, 2010 - 08:53
100%

100% on point.

The episodes are based on classic DCU stuff. It's not about "showcasing" the DCU to spoiled teenagers and lonely college students. Or shilling more toys for DC Direct. It's about having fun with the lesser-known characters in the DCU. Kids are crazy for it and so are DC fans with a sense of humor and love for the classics. And with good reason.

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Posted by The Big R on 19 February, 2010 - 09:51
Yes, Yes, I'd like to think so.

Correct on all three Rodimus. I knew I might take flak for this one, but said it anyway. I'm glad to see I'm not alone here! Thanks

Grandzinga....

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Posted by Grandzinga on 19 February, 2010 - 09:22
Dear Grandzinga: NO

Dear Grandzinga:

trust me, you're NOT alone on this. I'm not talking about the Gotham apologists who detested this show that Japester brought up.

So no, you're not the only one who thinks something's been wrong or something's still wrong w/ DC Comics here. Believe me.

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 20 February, 2010 - 12:38
Rodimus, I'd like to hear

Rodimus, I'd like to hear what you think would be a good DC cartoon show.

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Posted by The Big R on 19 February, 2010 - 09:52
They should have a show

They should have a show where every episode has Vicki Vale,Lois Lane,Perry White,and Jimmy Olsen at a press conference being held by Prez,and all of Prez's lines are things Rodimus78 has posted on CDX.

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Posted by kidnicky on 19 February, 2010 - 17:44
"the totalitarian order of

"the totalitarian order of The Black-n-White Bat Fuhrer dressed in baby-blue."

I'm getting a t-shirt made of that.

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Posted by Txos on 19 February, 2010 - 16:51
I like that robot though.

I like that robot though.

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Posted by Txos on 19 February, 2010 - 16:57
The Big R nailed the core of

The Big R nailed the core of this show: "fun". It's something that most modern DC (and especially Batman-centric) stories have forgotten, drowning in continuity and "realism" and all that. Super Friends was also fun, but of much lower quality that Brave and the Bold. Don't confuse "fun" for "poor quality". ;-)

I recall on a couple of other forums, where people were outraged at the first minute of the first episode because Batman turned his utility belt into some sort of laser sword. That was it. They were done. "Batman wouldn't do that! That's unrealistic!" They failed to notice the huge amount of winks and nods to Silver Age fans. I'm frankly surprised they throw in as many references as they do. Challengers of the Unknown?! HA! That is some good stuff there. I think of it like the classic Muppets show. It's being sold as a kid's show (and kids will love it) but it functions on an entirely different level for older fans. And the less strict format has allowed them to range far wider than any other DC show I can think of.

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Posted by japester on 19 February, 2010 - 23:12
Gotham Friends

"The Big R nailed the core of this show: "fun". It's something that most modern DC (and especially Batman-centric) stories have forgotten, drowning in continuity and "realism" and all that."

The modern DC has always been Batman-centric for the past 20 years thanks to Frank Miller, Tim Burton, & Bat-Wacko Timm.

Super Friends was also fun, but of much lower quality that Brave and the Bold. Don't confuse "fun" for "poor quality". ;-)

You're just saying that because Super Friends is old & DC, not a poor boy's Silver Age Marvel nostalgic stuff like the Bat-Wacko-Verse had to offer for Jack Kirby fans b/c let's admit it...The fan majority likes Marvel over DC, they'll tolerate DC if and only if they sprinkle Steve Ditko's sugar, Stan Lee's salt, and lots of Jack Kirby's gravy that Bat-Wacko Timm loves to poor on which explains why he's as slow & chubby as Henry the VIII.

"I recall on a couple of other forums, where people were outraged at the first minute of the first episode because Batman turned his utility belt into some sort of laser sword. That was it. They were done. "Batman wouldn't do that! That's unrealistic!" They failed to notice the huge amount of winks and nods to Silver Age fans. I'm frankly surprised they throw in as many references as they do. Challengers of the Unknown?! HA! That is some good stuff there. I think of it like the classic Muppets show. It's being sold as a kid's show (and kids will love it) but it functions on an entirely different level for older fans. And the less strict format has allowed them to range far wider than any other DC show I can think of."

All the more reason why this should be appropiatedly formatted as DC's The New Superfriends. DC Comics revived them in the comics in 2008. I understand that there's been a recent toyline of them that were produced by Fisher-Price, & I don't get why those stupid idiots & Time Warner had to pass the potential to make a New Superfriends show in favor this Bat-Crap.

If those morons & WB REALLY want to promote the DCU to kids on Sat-AM TV, just get The Bat Fuhrer off the freaking showboat & make a NEW SUPER-FRIENDS show. That would make a fair DC show. Does this answer your question The Big R? Let me know so I can answer some more b/c this B&B show is as stupidly pretentious & as compromisingly fascistic as DC's The Bronze Age version of B&B.

Oh and Kidnicky,

HIGH BATMAN!

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 20 February, 2010 - 12:16
High Batman? What does that

High Batman? What does that mean?

I'm not attempting to flame or insult you,but I really don't understand how you can flame this show for being "unfair to the DCU" and overly protective of the status quo when it routinely features characters who until now had NEVER been in a cartoon,like Kamandi and the Challengers of the Unknown.

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Posted by kidnicky on 20 February, 2010 - 17:54
Yeah, I don't really

Yeah, I don't really understand Rodimus' take either. Sounds like classic fanboy hate. Timm revitalized the whole DC property (mainly Batman, but JLU and other's benefited in a big way). But I guess all things popular due to be hated eventually, if only because they're popular. And the minute you start comparing a cartoon character to Hitler....well, I think you forfeit any semblance of discussion right there. :-/

I don't regard this show as highly as JoshB might, but the creators are obviously hardcore fans, and they slip a lot of detail in under the kiddie radar. Stuff that will only be appreciated by long-term, adult DC fans. SuperFriends, on the other hand, was as quick cash-in. Slap the characters together, ignore backstories or any sort of consistency, and have a random adventure of the week. That's not Brave and the Bold. Not by a long shot.

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Posted by japester on 20 February, 2010 - 19:08
"And the minute you start

"And the minute you start comparing a cartoon character to Hitler....well, I think you forfeit any semblance of discussion right there. :-/"

THIS.

I have never seen BatB, but my mom and little brother (13) have watched it, and, while knowing no real DC backstory, have LOVED it. It sounds like a totally pure and fun little show with all the right nods and winks, under the banner of Bats, the most successful of the bunch. I dunno how you can hate that. Fun, fan service, and success so it actually sticks around? Sounds like a winning formula.

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Posted by Prometheum5 on 20 February, 2010 - 19:28
The comparison to Hitler

The comparison to Hitler doesn't really surprise me since the internet has trained me to expect people to take cartoons way too seriously.
What confuses me is that every single online rant I've read about the show (and there's a lot of rants out there,since there's nothing neckbearded shut-ins hate more than a show with any hint of whimsy) inevitably complains that the show isn't as good or as "dark" as The Bruce Timm/Paul Dini Batman show.

If I'm reading Rodimus's comments correctly (and that is a HUGE if) he doesn't like ANY cartoon Batman show,and instead prefers Superfriends which was even more comical than B:BatB. And Superfriends had the baby blue and grey bat fuhrer in it too!

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Posted by kidnicky on 20 February, 2010 - 22:07
Uh-huh

"Yeah, I don't really understand Rodimus' take either. Sounds like classic fanboy hate. Timm revitalized the whole DC property (mainly Batman, but JLU and other's benefited in a big way). But I guess all things popular due to be hated eventually, if only because they're popular. And the minute you start comparing a cartoon character to Hitler....well, I think you forfeit any semblance of discussion right there. :-/"

Classic fanboy hate? Uh-huh... Japester, you're now a cradit to your Gotham peers who bashes this cartoon b/c it sounds like you've exchanged the 'fanboy card' from them to yours truly when your Caped Idol gets slammed by one who questions authority. You got nice a thinking cowl BTW. It makes you look powerful.

For the record, I admit that using the 'Nazi Card' was EXTREMELY overexaggerated on my part. I take full responsibility for that. I could've used Stalin or Napoleon the Pig, Oceania, or a media mogul primaddona like Murdoch, Bill'O or 'The Shat', but the 'Hitler Card' was the most effective form of rhetoric I can use to express my disgust of this overrated Bat-Wacko franchise that makes me vomit in a merry-go-round & that's what the status quo is--a merry-go-round.

"I don't regard this show as highly as JoshB might, but the creators are obviously hardcore fans, and they slip a lot of detail in under the kiddie radar. Stuff that will only be appreciated by long-term, adult DC fans. SuperFriends, on the other hand, was as quick cash-in. Slap the characters together, ignore backstories or any sort of consistency, and have a random adventure of the week. That's not Brave and the Bold. Not by a long shot."

Neither was watching The Superfriends by a long shot Japester. Just short range viewing.

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 21 February, 2010 - 11:11
Dear Rodimus: If you are

Dear Rodimus:

If you are going to compare Batman comics to Fascism, then throw all superheroes under that banner. It's a fair argument, but not when you just pick-and-choose what you don't like to fall under that banner. If you want to call Bats a nazi, then by neglecting Superman, Wonder Woman, etc. -actually any and every DC and Marvel comic- you are just coming off as a crybaby who didn't get their milk today. If you want to throw that old argument around, then have your facts straight, not your opinion.

And if you think DC will ever make that Metal Men cartoon, or another Legion of Superheroes cartoon, or whatever other boring troll-beloved current DCU fad comic you're stumping for, you can huff and puff all you want. It ain't going to happen. Batman = money, which = more comics that you like. Random DCU cartoon- nobody except the troglodytes cares, = no money.

Relax, go back to your cell and take your meds, man.

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Posted by The Big R on 21 February, 2010 - 12:32
Dear The Big R: You're right

Dear The Big R:

Who says DC's ever gonna make another DC cartoon other than The Bat? There is no DC Comics, just Warner Bros. You said so yourself: Warner Bros. + Batman = money x control = power absolute. I got your math The Big R....I can't argue with you about that b/c it's the truth.

Now give me your blue pills.

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 21 February, 2010 - 13:30
Big R didn't say anything

Big R didn't say anything about power, he pointed out the common truth that DC/WB is going to use Batman, their commercial success and source of income, as the source of money to potentially fund any other less lucrative and popular ventures. It has nothing to do with control or facism or whatever other laughable hyperbole you can throw around.

DC/WB is a company, and they are going to leverage their successful ventures to move forward and thrive (and, as Big R pointed out, fund their less successful projects). Batman keeps showing up because he's popular. He's not evil, you just don't like him. To that end, you're more than welcome to dislike whatever you want, in theory for whatver reason suits you, but it honestly sounds like your whole fan-baby argument stems from being mad that he is successful, not for any actual reason for which you are not a Batman fan. Like Big R said, relax, everybody's staring at you.

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Posted by Prometheum5 on 21 February, 2010 - 13:48
First, they're my Blue

First, they're my Blue pills. You can't have any ;)

Look, I know the argument you're using here, by supporting and buying Batman products, you're giving Warner Bros. money. And they are, without a doubt, an evil company, with a disturbing agenda. There has been numerous *very serious and worth reading* articles, thesis, and studies about the socio-political effects superhero characters have on the public, and in specific, Batman.

Rodimus, I understand where you're coming from about the Nazi-Batman links, and while I enjoyed Frank Miller's 1980's Batman stories, you are 100% right about all the fascist overtones in Miller's work since 1998 (a period coincidentally where he made an amazing amount of money from past work, while doing very little new comics or writing!) and his Hollywood success.

Since 2002 he has become a bigot. A sad, sad fact. You simply can't deny that a once intelligent, groundbreaking artist has turned into an ignorant racist because of his 9-11 experience (which he consistently plays for tears/justification for his increasingly disturbing interviews.)

CDX stays away from this "heavy stuff" and for good reason... toys are FUN not a college thesis. If you are socially consious, as many readers here are (there are many who collect only vintage toys so that they are not giving their money to crooked corporations and human rights violators/polluters,etc.- and only to fellow fans)- then they already know that stuff. There are plenty of DC boards where you can discuss your term paper on DC/WB politics. The comments section of CDX is not exactly the best place for it, especially when talking about B&TB which is hands-down straight-up FUN. If you enjoyed 60's "cosmic" batman then you will like the show. If not, then you'll hate it. End of story.

But you're missing the fact that this show we're talking about, Brave & The Bold, has 100% nothing to do with the facist factor you're speaking of, and if anything, it is a bold statement against the gritted-teeth, prositute-heavy, ends-justify-the-means vibe that Batman has had since the late 1980's. It's simply **FUN** with no redeeming social value.

I'm glad you mentioned this, because a lot of comics fans haven't picked up on the serious change in tone of Marvel/DC comics since 2005, and it's not talked enough about outside of hardcore sociologist comic book fan sites and occasional website sidebar... but your posts are pretty going-postal-scary about a kid's cartoon show. Get some perspective as to where and what you're commenting about.

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Posted by The Big R on 22 February, 2010 - 11:54
Dear The Big R: I Was Wrong & I Surrender

Dear The Big R:

The Big R, you're indeed a good, honest man with a beating heart. It's the kind of heart I've seen vaguely in this fear-driven, conformative society that I've been struggling to fight for many years. -_-,

Ever since I've read Alex Ross & Mark Waid's Kingdom Come.... I had an epiphany about what's going on with the social atmosphere of comic-book culture & what part I've caused to make it so. That book was a real eye-opener, for it made me realized that we the people had taken DC & feel-good, superhero pulp adventures (Whiz Comics,Police Comics,Charlton Comics, T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents, etc.) for granted in favor of the nitty-gritty/ultra-real/sexy-bad girl/fascist-antiheroic splatterfest that made almost everybody that shrinks into a seedy, town-mob mentality that made them lost sight of what it feels like to fly in the breezy skies on their faces w/ their capes on & save people from danger, doing good to the community & bring bad guys/gals to justice without unremorsefully killing them.

What I did was an inappropiate, supremely self-righteous stunt. I did this for the sake of fair play & for the friendly-orientated DC's Superheroes & their original creators that the audience has respected & missed, but the WB & their 'status-quo' has took them for granted b/c of their greed & arrogance. I was like "Marvel Entertainment's democratic about bring out their superheroes other than Spidey & Wolvie to mainstream TV, so why not DC?" I was just expressing a valid issue here. DC can't just be about Batman all the time.

That's why I did this & I did it the wrong way.

I did it the wrong way & I've failed. I've failed Siegel & Schuster, Gardner Fox, Martin Lobell, Larry Lampert, Gerry Conway, Jack Cole, Bill Finger, Bill Parker, C.C Beck, Elizabeth & Will Marston (especially them). I've failed them...
I'm sorry Superman -_- I'm sorry Wonder Woman..... I sorry Flash, GL, MM, Hawkman & Girl, Power Girl, Shazam, Starman, Star-Spangled Kid, Plastic Man,etc. You are minorities & I've failed you all. -_-

What I did was wrong and out of line here... so I want to give my apologies to you to Kidnicky to Japester to Prometheum5 to JoshB & Atom who had covered this field report. It wasn't my intention to spoil your fun over there with my Howard Beagle act.

To the people here who are reading this...I take back everything I said in regards to the Bat-Bashing rant ... BATMAN: THE BRAVE & THE BOLD IS INNOCENT. Don't let what I said persuade you from buying these toys & please don't let everything that I said turn you off from reading JoshB & Atom's or anybody else's upcoming reviews for B&B or any Batman toys out there that they wish to show & tell on CDX. They're good men & good writers & it is their individual right to do so & we need their respect & co-operation for the sake of family fun.

I am sorry Mr. Bernard... I hope that my stunt didn't spoil your website. It wasn't my intent to do so. I take full responsibility for my actions everyone. It's not Grandzinga's fault, it's mine.

I strongly disagree of what WB is doing & THAT will never change until they get their act together, but what will change is that there will be no more disturbing attacks on the B: B&B show from me at all here....I'm doing this out of my own conscience.

The Big R...thanks...thanks for stopping me from getting stoned to death from the public. I was prepared to be smitened by an angry mob anyway.

Look The Big R...If you got any questions for me about DCU's forgotten gems in Comics & TV like er, Golden Age, Silver Age, etc. just ask me anytime... You got nothing to fear from my knowledge. I don't use my so-called comics expertise above people who don't know these things. I just share the knowledge to help, not to destroy. You got my e-mail.

One more thing The Big R, you remind me very much like the Rev. Norman McCay. You are a living, breathing testament of humanity & that gives me some hope.

Oh and Kidnicky... you can tell Iris West it's alright that she'll be late for Prez' press conference. It's been cancelled. Just saying here.

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 25 February, 2010 - 01:49
 
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